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Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 280
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 8:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

The Catholic Girls Quandary
or
Thanks For The Mammaries


In the beginnings of fertility,
rife with hormones that bled me out
then filled me up with urges that had
not names but whispers in the night,
secrecy and shame was sistered to me.

Mother-taught secrecy through
five pregnant silences. Paper preparations,
clipped from ladies magazines. Crisp,
pulp passed beneath the bathroom door,
eyes averted, that compounded confusion
while my body cramped and became fluid
one summer Saturday before noon.

Nun-taught shame,
preached through death-mask lips tightly
stretched over large grayed teeth;
her eyes slit and rolling back and forth
spying all the demons of hell who wait
to suck a nun down for one titillating slip
in her crusade to preserve the innocent.

Health class dispensary passing
out a daily dose of guilt and damnation
to act as worth control. Dire warnings
in sepulchral tones each word a bad taste
scraped from the tongue.
Quick, dart hints jabbed at budding breast
and fuzzing loin
"never, never, let boys touch......
the wrong parts, of your body!" Still

the wrong parts grew, ached and were
covered with layers of embarrassment
as we skulked about, round shouldered,
with periodic shrouds discretely drowned
in toilet paper then furtively stuffed
to the bottom of garbage bags.
Our pride and power......trash.

I sat, passionate sponge,
nested among my sister sponges,
clothed in our creator, created bodies
in that time of black and white energies
untempered by gray, internalising the triune
definition of femininity virgin martyr, married
mother, inherent slut. Regaled with tales of

hapless, untouched maids leaping into
death to protect the poor unfortunate soul
tempted beyond his self control
by her gender. Her body goal and goad
as wrong parts would swell and feel things
and were difficult to hide from curious,
prying, adam's-eyes.

Sponge after sponge
saturated with cause
unquestioningly accepted the geis
to mutatefrom marketable, martyrable, virgin
to married, madonna, mother
bypassing the sin of slut
wearing the body of adam's perdition.

S--, was a distasteful but
necessary act of procreation
legitimised by holy ritual.
A fate worse than death
disguised within layers
of mystery and sanctification;
enacted in the dark on a multiplication table.
Our ticket to heaven ecclesiastically punched,
we trod a moral tight rope
between
pure as the driven snow and slightly
soiled. but in a good cause, over
a schism of double indamnity, the pit
of hell beneath our feet,
the gate of heaven between our thighs.




(Message edited by sulis on February 22, 2006)

(Message edited by sulis on February 22, 2006)
Emusing
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Username: emusing

Post Number: 2843
Registered: 08-2003
Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2006 - 10:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Anastasia this epoch epic has clever use of language and word play with a biting tongue-in-cheek message. Many great lines that build toward the end could easily be envisioned as a combustible experience read aloud.

I see that this could use some trim but I wouldn't attempt it on CV. You could place in Bio for an in-line crit. It wouldn't take much IMO to bring it to a finish.

E

p.s. I thought I was the only one who sung Thanks for the Mammories. Good ole Bob never new.
Zephyr
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Username: zephyr

Post Number: 3909
Registered: 07-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 6:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Excellent piece, which will need very little trimming to shine,probably describes my mothers upbringing, she went to a catholic school and thank God was more enlightened when it came to my education! I know all that baggage gave her a lot to overcome,ignorance can be terrifying.... all she was told about birth was that she would likely die in the process as she was so small,which terrified her during her first pregnancy - me!
Gary Blankenship
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Username: garyb

Post Number: 6844
Registered: 07-2001
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 7:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Ana,

S--, was a distasteful but

love the way you s-- vs spelling out.

I agree with some trimming and other changes such as between not on it's own line.

The end of the finest kind.

Smiles.

Gary


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Laurie Byro
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Username: lauriette

Post Number: 1556
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

haha
really enjoyed thanks

laurie

Lazarus
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Username: lazarus

Post Number: 1242
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 9:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

This is a great piece of poetry. I hate that it bogs down at points so I will take a stab at what I think needs cutting:

this part:

who wait
to suck a nun down for one titillating slip
in her crusade to preserve the innocent.

Health class dispensary passing
out a daily dose of guilt and damnation
to act as worth control. Dire warnings
in sepulchral tones each word a bad taste
scraped from the tongue.
Quick, dart hints jabbed at budding breast
and fuzzing loin
"never, never, let boys touch......
the wrong parts, of your body!"

and here:
by her gender. Her body goal and goad
as wrong parts would swell and feel things
and were difficult to hide from curious,
prying, adam's-eyes.

Sponge after sponge
saturated with cause
unquestioningly accepted the geis
to mutatefrom marketable, martyrable, virgin
to married, madonna, mother
bypassing the sin of slut

Parts of these excerpts could be re-included as needed, but for me the read holds together without them.
The Age of Nations is past. The task before us now, if we would not perish, is to build the earth. - Teilhard de Chardin
elijah burke
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Username: spiltextmob

Post Number: 88
Registered: 08-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I enjoyed this very much.

Some great lines:

the wrong parts grew, ached and were
covered with layers of embarrassment

inherent slut - love that!

and many others. Thanks for sharing.
"The meek will inherit the earth.
The meek don't want it."
-The Rules of Attraction
Bret Easton Ellis
~M~
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Username: mjm

Post Number: 6698
Registered: 11-1998
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 4:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

A powerful piece, Ana. No woman could read this without being moved.

My only objection is the profusion of adjectives in the descriptions. I would pare them down where possible. I've often read that great poetry depends on the strength of its nouns and verbs. Adjectives should be used sparingly or you end up sounding too prosey.

M. Kathryn Black
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Username: kathryn

Post Number: 3055
Registered: 09-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 4:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Ana, I would echo what M said and say I enjoyed this poem but felt it could use some trimming. Yes, the adjectives. Glad I wasn't brought up Catholic. Growing up is hard enough.
Best, Kathryn
jennifer vanburen
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Username: annaswirls

Post Number: 87
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 5:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Enjoyed the poem, you got a lot of great suggestions, the only thing I would add is to reconsider the title. It does not seem to match the tone of the poem, especially the mammary one, I have heard that too many times, your poem deserves something more original (in my humble opinion)

:-)

Jennifer
www.mannequinenvy.com
Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 303
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

E. i took your advice, Thank you for reading.

Ana
Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 304
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Zephyr i think every woman raised in the catholic church has a story similar to mine if they were honest. We are one bunch of mixed up females.

Ana
Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 305
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Gary will work on some judicious snipping and repost sonnest. Thank you.

Ana
Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 306
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Laurie thank you.
Ana
Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 307
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

lazarus i am saving your comments with the poem to better work on the revision. Thank you.

Ana
Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 308
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Thank you Elijah.

Ana
Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 309
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Good advice M! I will take it as I revise thank you. I strive to put the reader in the situation as completely as possible.

Ana
Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 310
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

I guess it made me what I am and in dealing with it I have become a poet. If one day I become a decent poet then it was not all bad. Oh well one must make the best. thank you for commenting.

Ana
Anastacia Donovan
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Username: sulis

Post Number: 311
Registered: 03-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2006 - 8:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Hmmmm the title. I will think on your suggestion. thank you for reading and understanding.

Ana
SplinterGroup
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Username: splinter

Post Number: 1070
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 6:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

like the piece a lot and a footnote for it is that it wasn't any better for the males. much less for the altar boys if you understand what I am sayiong.

It was always a wonder to me that people that had no practical experience in not only having children but in the everyday raising of them ---paying the bills and worrying to the side---could be put in cahrge of telling them how to make more and the proper way to do just that.

Weird!

A.
michael julius sottak
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Username: julius

Post Number: 2246
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 6:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Damn Ana, you been playing volleyball with Blake & Marvell (garden of love & coy mistress)... bringing on the womens team in rebuttal?
hahaha...
very well done, me lass!
Dale McLain
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Username: sparklingseas

Post Number: 1898
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 9:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Ana~ A delight... the ending is perfect. And FYI~ a southern Baptist upbringing is just as bizarre... trust me! You Catholics just got all the pretty statues and incense. We got the same trip without the cool accessories.
enjoyed~dale
LJ Cohen
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Username: ljc

Post Number: 4050
Registered: 07-2002
Posted on Friday, February 24, 2006 - 9:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post

Ana,

This is a wonderful piece--I'm away from home on a slow net connect, so don't have time for a formal crit, but I will come back to this with my 2 cents worth. I agree with M's overall comment--less adjectives would be the place I might start to pare.

best,
ljc
Once in a Blue Muse Blog

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